Let me put it another way... The book is in print- you yourself have the opportunity to purchase it and resell it and make a profit. Something you could not do if the book was not published. As far as I can see... PA has done what they have promised to do.
Are you aware that you could have published the book yourself and sell the book much cheaper and make a (bigger) profit?
Personally I feel that it's an author's job to help sell the book, but not individual copies of the book. An author should do interviews, book signings or whatever the publicity department thinks would help sell the book. But having an author buy hundreds of copies and then try to sell them to people is pathetic. Not only does it make the writer look pitiful, but it makes the publisher look unprofessional.
Let us slam self publishers- if we feel that this is along the same lines as PA. But.. dang.. those poor folks had to pay for their books to be in print. See what I'm getting at? If there is a sound reason for authors not to use PA- then sound out the alarms, but use justified reasons. Not just what you feel to be so because they publish too many books and allow the writer to tell the story the way they want it told.
Sorry, but I'm Swedish, we're not really concerned about whether a person self-published or not, as long as the book is good and available
. People who self-publish do so for many reason--some because their books sucks, of course, but some because the books are too specific to appeal top a large audience, or because it's too "out there" or what have you.
Another thing is the reading time. It took about 2-3 months before I received my edited copy. I usually go through my stuff in 2 days. (Editing.) A lot of other publishers state that you will hear something in 3 months. If I can edit a 100,000 word book in 2-3 days, that would mean that I could do about 3 a week, though most books are not that long.
Going over something in 2-3 days is not editing, it's spellchecking. Editing means you (and your editor) polish your ms, make sure the plot is tight and the characters stand out, along with a bit of re-writing and so on. The copyeditor checks spelling and fixes grammar and stuff like that.
I originally came here for information... Where is it? I've heard different opinions, but nothing earth shattering yet.
First of all, I have no interest in slamming a publisher that is meant for American writers, since I'm Swedish (and more interested in writing scripts than books, and perhaps opening my own publishing house one day). Obviously, they have never rejected me, I do not have friends who were rejected by them--basically they do not touch my life in any way. I’m just telling you the raw facts, and maybe you’ll accept them when they’re coming from someone who is not a PA-victim or active adversary.
- They will not promote you. This means they don't care whether you do well or not. Thus, they are not depending on your book to sell to the general public. Their promotion is aimed at their authors, urging them to buy more books "At this lovely 50% discount because we're celebrating [insert reason here]!" They will not send catalogues to stores, so the stores won't know you and your books exists unless you go there and tell them (easy enough when it comes to your local store, but not exactly possible on a larger scale). Ask yourself why PA would willingly put the burden of promotion on an author who has probably not had any training when it comes to promoting.
- They have a no-returns policy. This means that you have to buy books and supply stores with them if you want to see your books in a real brick and mortar store. Who makes money? PA. Who is left hoping that the book will sell in the bookstore because you just spent thousands of dollars on buying a few hundred copies? YOU. You most likely won’t make much of a profit, because you have to offer the bookstores a discount, and you have to take back the books that didn’t sell and they’ll only give you money for the books that did sell. Does this seem fair to you? Is it moral? Real publishers will usually offer a constant author discount to you, the author, but you are not allowed to resell the books you purchase--because selling your book to people is how publishers make a profit, not by selling your book to you.
- The covers are ugly. There, I said it. Of all the PA covers I've seen, only three have been acceptable. The rest is cheap photoshopped crap. I could make much better covers, and I'm not even all that brilliant with photoshop.
- PA does not care about its authors. If you question them they either ignore you or attack you verbally.
- PA is a potentially permanent stain. Personally, I would not publish a PA author's second book for fear of giving the PA book free publicity and thereby making money for PA. It's harsh, I know. If the author managed to get out of the contract with PA and the book was no longer being sold, it’d be a different situation.
- PA is unprofessional. Look at the LaVerne Ross drama to get a taste of what you might be getting into. Her book had a picture on Orlando Bloom on the cover--but no one asked for Orlando Bloom's permission, or the permission of whoever had taken the picture (I think it was a screencap from LOTRs or something) before they used it. No one told her it was illegal. Her publisher most likely didn’t even look at the cover, because they deal with so many every day.
- Every PA books sells about 75-200 copies. That’s it. The last debut-novel I read had already sold 75 000 copies.
- Very few people will be willing to review your book.
If you don't think those things are earth-shattering, then you are seriously not ready to be published.
Saw at another site that Barnes and Noble supposedly stated they don't/won't carry PA novels. Since their site doesn't have a "Search by Publisher", I decided to check out Indigo/Chapters' site in Canada for PA books. I found almost 200 listed on their database and in their stores. I wrote down a random sampling of titles and ISBN, then went back to B&N. Guess what? Surprise, surprise! I found every single last one of those titles!
A hell of a lot of books are listed on B&N's online store. It's not exactly hard to get there, or on any of the other bookstores' sites. When your book is POD it's fine for the stores to let your customers place and order it through their site, but they won't actually put it on their shelves--where most of the books are sold--unless you can offer a returns policy.
It is quite possible to get your books onto the shelves of your local B&N, provided you're friends with the manager, or you buy your own books and offer the B&N store you're targeting a return through you. And that's your financial arse on the line. PA doesn't care. And you know what, 200 books out of 6000 authors (or whatever number PA is claiming nowadays) is pathetic. Being in one store out of thousand does not constitute success--it just means 200 authors bought a few dozen books each and cried at the manager's feet until he/she agreed to stock them. Plus, there are probably some books left over from when PA authors, getting desperate, went and ordered a bunch of books through their local bookstore and then failed to show up to collect the books, leaving the store with a bunch of un-returnable books they had to sell.
But I can tell you this about PA- They publish books, and some are rejected- most are not. And there is no feeling -like the feeling that an Author goes through, when they hold their first published copy of their book in their hands. It's a chance that they may never experience if they keep wasting their time with other publishers.
They do not publish books. They print them and slap a boring cover on it. No one outside PA is going to consider your book a real book if you go with PA.
As for most being rejected, I'm sure you've heard about how they accepted a book which was just thirty pages of text repeated over and over again. How does that make you feel about your writing, knowing you were accepted alongside thirty pages repeated over and over again?
This whole "the important thing is that you're published" thing makes me physically hurt.
If you have invested nothing- then you have nothing to lose.
Except all your hard work, your pride and YOUR BOOK.
If there is a breach in the contract, it is not that difficult to get your rights back, and wait a minute... isn't it our responsibility to copyright our material?
You are so not ready to be published. Please, please, please
do some research. For one, people who have tried to get their copyright back are ignored. PA turns into a three-year-old kid and refuses to accept correspondence, even from lawyers. And that’s another thing, lawyers cost money. A lot of it. Getting PA and online sites to stop selling your books a whole other battle. Aside from that, yes the copyright is yours, but I don't see what that has to do with all of this. By signing the contract you give PA the right to publish your book, you can't stop them just because you've got the copyright--the only way you can stop them is by getting out of the contract.
One last thing... I don't pay full price for my book. As a vendor I get 50% off- so... if my book sells for 16.95 from PA- I pay 8.50- can I not sell my book for around $13? I have made a profit.
That’s funny, because a real publisher will give you the same discount—all of the time, not just for your first purchase and “special occasions”. Real publishers will usually give you ten author copies (unless they’re really small and can’t afford it) for free. They won’t let you act as “vendor”, because it’s not your job. Writers write, publishers publish, sellers sell. It’s not that complicated. You are not supposed to buy your own books and sell that way.
Listen to yourself.
You’re basically saying that the only way people are going to be able to buy your book at a reasonable price is if you buy the book yourself and then resell it. Does that sound honest to you? You have to ask yourself why your publisher would do that to you, why they’d rather sell the books to you than the readers.
I’m sure you’ll make a profit. If you manage to get a bookstore which has thousands, millions, of books to chose from to stock your book. Be prepared though, because any books that don’t sell are your responsibility. You only get money for the books the store manages to sell. You might want to ask whatever store you peddle your book to not to rip off the covers before they send the un-sold books back for you, so you can try selling the books to someone else and at least break even.